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Posted - 2009.08.15 15:54:00 -
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Same reason some Americans are against welfare. I don't want my tax dollars going to help those that can't afford to help themselves.
Public education is free and available for every child in the US. If Joe goes and studies and gets a great job, why should he have to pay for Jim's food stamps and healthcare. Especially when Jim spent his school years getting trashed and not paying attention?
And this is only referring to those educated in public schools, never mind the whole "elitist private school kid" argument.
In the end, its all a matter of "Keep my tax money out of other citizens' pockets."
There are plenty of charities where Joe can donate to help the less fortunate in need, it should be a private matter for his own conscience to decide. It shouldn't be forced from him by his own government at gunpoint.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 16:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Cyprus Black
We Americans are not afraid of free health care. We do want it.
Unfortunately we've got a lot of anti health care propaganda going around, spread by lobbyists and anyone who's wallets get hit by it.
Lots of lies and disinformation being spread through commercials and media everywhere. Fox News certainly isn't helping either. They're one of the biggest propaganda pushers.
Do not speak for all Americans.
Healthcare is only free if you're an uneducated slob who can't get a job better than Walmart.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 15/08/2009 16:14:04
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Public education is free and available for every child in the US. If Joe goes and studies and gets a great job, why should he have to pay for Jim's food stamps and healthcare. Especially when Jim spent his school years getting trashed and not paying attention?
fair enough, but what about Sam who did had a proper education, but for some reason or another, he simply can't land on a job?
there isn't always two sides of the same coin, and some people are poor due to simple bad luck.
While I agree that medical wellfare is too widening, by treating anyone and everyone equally, it also gives a chance to those who for some reason or the other would be unable to pay for medical care otherwise.
I agree, which is what private charities are for. There's plenty of private institutions that Sam can receive help at, either job hunting, housing, food, or care for his kids.
Unless he's a white male, of course. Stop the racism/sexism 
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Posted - 2009.08.15 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kurfin
What would you say to a mother or father dying of a curable disease, who was unable to afford heathcare? I'm sorry you won't see your children grow up, but I need a bigger TV?
Also I bet you'd change your opinion you developed something that would label you as having a 'pre-existing condition', possibly putting health insurance above your means. Or indeed if you found yourself unemployed.
Another point for you to consider if everyone had enough money to afford health insurance, you would have to pay more for goods and services to cover the increase wage expense of supplying them.
1. I am currently unemployed.
2. I am an undereducated American.
3. I currently have ZERO insurance.
4. My mother has severe health issues and lives off state welfare and private charities.
I am not going to change my views or beliefs just because they would personally better my own life. Hypocrisy?
As for mom/dad with the curable disease; that's what private charities are for, that's what donation drives are for, and finally if all else fails, its called population control.
Your final point is crap and you know it. "Free" healthcare will cause the same amount of inflation.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 17:07:00 -
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Fact is, all this 'free' healthcare is going to do is keep poor stupid people alive longer, to drain our taxes quicker.
But just like the welfare system; the poor, lazy, and stupid will just milk this for all its worth and be even more comfortable and healthy while sitting on their lazy asses getting fat at the expense of the hard working.
This system would be great, if it were only for people who were in a short rut (myself) and only needed it for a limited amount of time (guess what? There's already 'emergency temporary health insurance' out there).
Its not going to work.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 17:12:00 -
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We might find WMDs in Iraq, too.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kurfin
In terms of reducing costs there is more than just the doctors that can be squeezed. Hospitals and pharmaceutical companies would be the prime targets for rate negotiation. For example a previous posted pointed out pharmaceuticals can cost 5 times more in the us than canada, a government scheme would be large enough to negotiate a huge discount with the pharmaceutical companies or buy in supplies from abroad for the hospitals to use for government scheme patients.
There's a reason for this. I don't agree with it, but that's up to the drug companies that produce the drugs.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
I believe that access to health care is a basic human right and whilst I may not agree that a family has more and more kids and lives off the state (and consumes my income tax in their benefits), I'm not going to deny them the basic right to see a doctor when they are sick, regardless of how much money they have or don't have.
Actually it isn't. It costs a lot of a person's time and money to become a doctor. They should have the right to charge whatever they see fit as recompense for that investment.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Fux Orgasma
I don't see Japanese people getting "fat and lazy" living in the streets and "living off of your taxes", I don't see people in Sweden getting "fat and lazy" and living in the street and "living off of your taxes".
Japan is full of Japanese (no mention of how racist Japs are? s'Ok, its not on topic). Sweden is full of Swedes.
America is full of lazy no good whites, blacks, hispanics, etc who were raised to milk the system for everything its worth.. What? This isn't 'fact'?. So mister socialist, why did the welfare system fail so miserable? You gave the poor billions, why are they still poor, malnourished, and badly educated? Oh that's right, its all the fault of the white/jewish elitists I bet... Is that your opinion? If not, what is.
You're right, most of Europe has socialized medicine. They also pay higher taxes. That's less money for the individual to pay for whatever they need/desire, just so that the less deserving can continue to milk off them.
I refuse to get a job just so half my money can go to other people, its bad enough 25-35% of it does now. I would rather sit at home all day and let other people pay half their wage to support me. I'm only American after all.
I snipped the rest of your rant because its nothing but whining.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasani
It does. Cuba has a better health care system then we do. ****ing CUBA. We had some 9/11 rescue workers go down there to get health treatment about a year or two ago because under our system they couldn't get treatment.
It is still illegal for US citizens to visit Cuba, with specific exceptions, so link please.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Thorliaron
American's are happy giving Mr.mohammed allah ackbar's country millions of dollars year on year but not wanting any money spent on helping their own countrymen, the mind does wonder, but then again america does seem to suffer from 'we want it but dont want to pay for it!' syndrome.
HAHAHA
Actually I'd be more inclined to agree with national welfare/health care if it was paid for with money we give away to foreign nations.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
but we are socialist.
There's an awful long line of kings and queens waiting to butt **** liz the 2nd when she kicks the bucket.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cridil
Ok someone please explain this "With free Healthcare their will be poor people who will milk the system" arguement.
If you are sick you see a doctor. Doesnt matter if you have millions in the bank or nothing in the bank.
Unless of course you are saying poor people dont deserve the right to healthcare because they are poor.
If you fake you're sick, you see a doctor. You get a prescription. You sell said prescription for money.
People with insurance do it NOW, you think they won't do it with national healthcare?
As for the person who posted that video.. yeah sorry, Michael Moore? No thanks.
I'll take your word for it 9/11 heroes for some strange reason had to go to Cuba, of all places, as their last resort for proper care.
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Posted - 2009.08.16 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasani
I have no idea what peoples issues with Michael Moore are.
Michael Moore is the Left's version of Anne Coulter. Only he's fat, is from Michigan, never shaves, and just looking at him I'm sure he smells weird.
At least the Right chose someone slightly attractive to lead the bat**** crazy contingent.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ
LOl some very hypocrital useless ***gots in this thread. Your so much capitalistic views are not shared by your elite when it comes to save the ass of stupid greedy CEO's and corrupt ****heads, spend money on idiotic wars and other useless crapp. Socialism for the riches is what this is called, and outright stupidity on cintizens.
Humanity, lost all faith on it long time ago. If things don't work is because all the idiots who suck are suck into the system some way or an other because they are mostlly cowards afraid to change status quo and challenge the political class. The healthcare is jsut an extension of this phenomena of human psychology.
I love when people with a horrible grasp of the english language try to argue in it.
This includes most Americans, Welsh, Scotts, and all French.
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